Texas Congressman Blasts Sec. Napolitano at House Judiciary Hearing

Rep. Louie Gohmert

Fireworks on Capitol Hill happened at a Homeland Security Oversight hearing held by the House Judiciary Committee last Thursday.  Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert grilled Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for allowing a radical Islamist to access classified information. Gohmert’s questions were specifically in regards to Mohamed Elibiary, an individual she placed on President Barack Obama’s Homeland Security Advisory Council and gained secret security clearance via Napolitano to download classified information that Congressman Gohmert says Elibiary later shopped to a reporter.

Sec. Janet Napolitano

Watch Napolitano’s shameless deflection – accusing Gohmert of discrimination against all Muslims.  Secretary Napolitano said Rep. Gohmert’s “insinuations demean the committee” and she was more concerned about the “allegations that are made against anyone who happens to be Muslim” when asked if it bothered her that classified information was obtained by Mr. Elbiary.

Below is the transcript Q and A between Rep. Gohmert and Sec. Napolitano from committee hearing:

0:00)…”Gohmert is recognized”
(Rep. Gohmert :02)
“Thank you Mr. Chairman and thank you madam secretary for being here. When you were here before back in October, we discussed, Gentlemen, Mr. Elibiary, and the week before he had been on-line using the secret security clearance that you had given him, when you placed him on the advisory, the homeland security advisory council, and he had used that to access the state and local intelligence community of interest classified material database and downloaded material, and we had information that he had shot that trying to claim Texas was “Islamaphobes” because they were concerned about radical Islamic. But since that time has..you told me personally at that time that you were going to look into it…you weren’t going to appoint someone, you were going to look into it. So, what did you find out?”

(Ms. Napolitano 1:04)
“I found out that statements that had been made in that regard are false, they are misleading, objectionable, I think they…”

(Rep. Gohmert 1:14)
“Okay then…madam…you need to know that you have people who are lying in your department, because Texas department of public safety has been told the investigation was done, he did access the classified information with his own private computer, he did download the documents that we knew he did and the one thing they could not confirm because they didn’t talk to the reporter, or the people that he shopped the story to, but they couldn’t confirm that he shopped the story…but are you saying before this congress, right now, that as secretary of homeland security, that it is a lie that Mohammad Elibiary downloaded material from a classified website using the secret security clearance that you gave him? Are you saying that’s a lie?”

(Ms. Napolitano 2:10)
“I am saying that is inaccurate, that is correct”

(Rep. Gohmert 2:13)
“Alright what is inaccurate about that?”

(Ms. Napolitano 2:16)
“A number of things. First of all, we have several people on the homeland security advisory committee…are Muslim. They have been helping law enforcement for a long time. Mr. Elibiary himself was recognized by the FBI…”

(Rep. Gohmert 2:30)
“I didn’t say anything about that, so if you could confine your answer to what I said and what you find misleading in it.”

(Ms. Napolitano 2:37)
“One of the things I find misleading is he somehow downloaded classified documents.”

(Rep. Gohmert 2:44)
“So are you saying that the state and local intelligence of community database is not classified?”

(Ms. Napolitano 2:51)
“I’m saying that he, as far as I know, did not download classified documents…”

(Rep. Gohmert 2:56)
“Now one of the games that gets played sometimes by people who come up here and testify is that they had somebody not provide them adequate information so that they can come in here and say, ‘So far as I know, not to my knowledge,’ that kind of thing, and they obscure the truth. Has Elibiary’s status on homeland security advisory council changed?

(Ms. Napolitano 3:18)

(Rep. Gohmert 3:20)
“It did not bother you that he accessed information?”

(Ms. Napolitano 3:25)
“Uh, he accessed some information, what bothers me, quite frankly, are the allegations that are made against anyone who happens to be Muslim.”

(Rep. Gohmert 3:34)
“Well, the allegations are not because he is Muslim. You follow me around the world, you’ve seen me hugging Muslim’s around the world. The ones that I hug are our friends, and this administration seems to have a hard time recognizing members of terrorist groups who are allowed into the White House, you’re aware of that happening aren’t you?”

(Ms. Napolitano 3:56)
“Absolutely not.”

(Rep. Gohmert 3:57)
“So (laughs), alright the evidence speaks for itself… obviously you’re kept in the dark on a lot of these things…

(Ms. Napolitano 4:04)

(Rep. Gohmert 4:05)
“Are you aware of what the freedom and justice party is in Egypt?”

(Ms. Napolitano 4:11)
“Representative, um…”

(Rep. Gohmert 4:14)
“Are you aware of what the freedom and justice party is in Egypt?”

“Mr. Chairman, could we have…

(Rep. Gohmert 4:22)
“It’s a simple question…that doesn’t afford an interruption…is she aware of what the freedom and justice party is in Egypt?”

“Would the secretary respond to the question?”

(Ms. Napolitano 4:33)

(Rep. Gohmert 4:34)
“Are you aware that Mr. Elibiary’s foundation, that is now been, had their charter pulled because they failed to provide the information that the government requires to keep their 501-C3 status. Are you aware that that was before the 501-C3 status was pulled, called the freedom and justice foundation?

(Ms. Napolitano 4:57)
“Representative, I’m not going to get into a debate about some of the…

(Rep. Gohmert 5:00)
“I’m asking you if you know simple facts!”

(Ms. Napolitano 5:03)
“I would like to explain, I would like to say something…

(Rep. Gohmert 5:06)
“You said you’re not going to get into debate, I don’t want to debate this, this is just a question and answer. Are you aware of that being the name of his foundation that has now had the 501-C3 status pulled?”

(Ms. Napolitano 5:19)
“The insinuation that I…”

(Rep. Gohmert 5:21)
“Can you answer the question? There’s no insinuation,

“Allow the witness to answer the question.”

(Rep. Gohmert 5:30)
“Yes, please answer just the question.”

(Ms. Napolitano 5:35)
“Representative, with all due respect, I believe you are insinuating that I and members of my staff…”

(Rep. Gohmert 5:42)
“I am not insinuating anything, I am asking a direct question”

(Ms. Napolitano 5:47)
“Mr. Chairman…”

(Rep. Gohmert 5:48)
“…not answering this question. The question is very simple…were you aware of his freedom and justice foundation…”

“Let me say here to the gentleman from Texas, I don’t think he’s going to get a different answer…”

(Rep. Gohmert 6:03)
“Then I would ask the insistence of the Chairman to direct this witness to answer the question as asked, it’s a very simple, it’s a yes or no, was she aware or was she not.”

“We will give the witness the opportunity to give a final answer, yes.”

(Ms. Napolitano 6:17)
“Mr. Chairman, I would just like to say for this committee which…

(Rep. Gohmert 6:22)
“That does not sound like a yes or…it is not a response…
(interruptions) …and answer that is nonresponsive…” (6:31)
“Okay, the answer may be nonresponsive, madam secretary do you have anything to add?”

(Ms. Napolitano 6:36)
“Mr. Chairman I didn’t know this was a court with rules of evidence, I was hoping I could explain my answer.” (6:43)
“Do you want to proceed to do just that?”

(Ms. Napolitano 6:44)
“Thank you Mr. Chairman.”

(Rep. Gohmert 6:45)
“Mr. Chairman my question was a yes or no question, anything but a yes or no answer…and the reason there are rules of evidence is so the witnesses just don’t go off on talking…avoiding the issues…”

“The gentleman’s time has expired, but does the witness have anything to add?”

(Ms. Napolitano 7:04)
“Yes. This committee has a long and proud tradition. These kinds of insinuations demean the committee. The insinuation that I or my staff would allow someone who is a terrorist to infiltrate…

(Rep. Gohmert 7:17)
“I have not insinuated that Elibiary…a very nice gentleman. I met him a couple of times, he’s a nice guy, there’s no type of insinuations, except that the secretary of homeland security…come in here…allegations…


“Committee will be in order, I understand the frustration of the gentleman from Texas, but I don’t believe he is going to get a different answer. The gentleman’s time has expired…”


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